Read this somewhere:
I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.
W.Once
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How do you stop hating?
by ThomasCovenant ini'm finding it very difficult not to hate those still in.. my wife says i hate the religion but shouldn't hate the individuals.. i think she's correct but it's getting more and more difficult not to show my feelings of anger and hatred.. the thing is i was one of them for 30 years so i should have more patience, respect and sympathy.. i think they fall into two camps.
1 deluded.
2 self deluded.
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17 Days: One Final Adventure
by Merry Magdalene ini once posted here a copy of my empassioned plea to the watchtower society--i want my mother back.
well, i just wanted to let all of you know that i got her back for a whole 17 days, and we had one final adventure together before she died, and there wasn't a damned thing they could do about it.. my mother is, was, a long-term loyal jw and i was her disfellowshipped daughter.
i believe she was in an almost constant state of conflict over me because her very strong maternal instincts demanded she behave openly and lovingly toward me, while her wts-trained conscience demanded the opposite.
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Wasanelder Once
Merry,
When a loved one pares away all the posings of belief and tyranny due to the intimacy that terminal illness requires, it becomes what you experienced. If there is love, there will be the gift you and your Mother gave to each other.
I mourn my mother and recall her dying months as I read of your precious time with your mother.
There is no greater gift you can give someone who is dying than understanding and unconditional love.
Bravo.
I wish you fruitful tears and moments of recollection as you look in your baby's eyes.
W.Once
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HELP!! ADVICE....Saying NO to pioneering
by Kristofer ini have a female friend who i've been discussing the religion with.
she definitely has doubts about the org but isn't sure on leaving just yet as she has still got about 6 months to go being a minor dependent on the parents.
lately, she's been getting heavy pressure to start pioneering.
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Wasanelder Once
The morons used to give this suggestion, take a pioneer application and put it on the refrigerator, fill in all but the date and leave it there to remind you of your goal. You could ask for the application to do that and tell them that you will follow that advice and pray about it and keep it before you. One day you will make your decision.
Might get them off your ass. After repeatedly telling them "not yet" when they ask how's it coming they will eventually forget. They are busy little vice cops and have lots of parking outside of publisher's homes to do.
W.Once.
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I am so ashamed...
by zeroday ingood men have shed their blood on the battlefield of freedom so i might be free.... stood up to tyrany that i and others would taste the sweet smell of freedom.... and yet for almost 30 years i distained these people as enemies of god.
distained their sacrafice as worthless.
i stand here today to ask forgiveness of those who laid down their lives that i may be free.
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I have come to the conclusion that wars and armies are a symptom, not something to commend. The Nazi's were patriotic for thier fighting men and cheered them on too. In this life we are truly responsible for ourselves and the decisions we make. If you want to see it as appreciation to view things in a general way, without seeing each war and faction as different, I think you will certainly sanction any action taken by those brave few who fight for our freedoms. The Viet Vets will beg to differ with you. I would not be surprised if eventually those brave boys in Iraq will tire of dying for slogans and stand up to say, "enough."
If you want to go and die for the government I certainly wouldn't stop you. I just know that we are the result of chance birth into the society we arrive in. The superior life is the lengthy one lived with respect for others. If that includes killing a few so we can accept a certain mindset, well, its not us dying and seldom is it us doing the killing so we can drop a few coins in the cans of Vets and watch a parade. The true appreciation comes in exercising the rights they fought to defend, including the hatred of wars and the fighting of them. If we cannot desent, we are spitting on thier graves.
W.Once
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What led you to think that the Watchtower had God's approval?
by JH in.
when you were a jw, what led you to think that the watchtower had god's approval?.
just because they said so??
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Wasanelder Once
Though raised around the "Truth" I saw that the condition of the dead matched the known facts. Death = sleep. No one else talked about it so prominently and it was so logical. That and the generation of 1914 seeing all the changes in one lifetime was very impressive. DUH.
So, now I dont know about either of them, though I stick with the death is the end thinking. Now I dont entertain the whole ressurection scenerio. I just want to be spread evenly when I'm ash. Anything that happens after is gravy.
W.Once
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Speech on Jehovah's Witnesses for College
by jayhawk1 ini have a speech to do for college speech class.
it is to be a persuasive speech and i figured a good topic would be; "are jehovah's witnesses rational?
" certainly with my background (being raised as one of jehovah's witnesses, then shown the ugly side while still an active member, and finally researching the truth about jehovah's witnesses) gives me a wealth of information to pull from.
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I would reccomend a speach that discusses how the society lays out a line of crap, ie: 1925 and 1975 and then blames their followers for believeing it. This is very compelling as to how unreasonable and controlling they are. Shows they are a bit bonkers too. It would show a couple of things, they set dates, they drop dates and they blame everyone but themselves. There are plenty of threads that discuss this and have the quotes to show they blamed "a few" who let thier expectations overcome their reason. Lying old farts.
W.Once
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The Great Watchtower Porn Panic
by metatron insome years ago, when the 'voluntary donation' arrangement was announced, the society followed it up with a period of near panic.. they flooded the kingdom ministry, watchtower and circuit assemblies with pleas "reminding" the friends to open up their wallets.. eventually, they calmed down and accepted the situation, especially after coming up with new scams involving "deficits" at assemblies.
and appeals for property being willed to them.. .
it is with this background that i note a burst of emphasis about porn.
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Wasanelder Once
Did it ever occur to anyone that Bethel must be a hot bed of hormones gone wild and that the internet porn is the outlet they most often choose? There have probably been MANY judicial cases of ones at Bethel using the net for porn. And who knows, maybe that Elder pervert Cano was privately reproved for net porn on some level at some time.
Just floating an idea. This is not a statement of fact so dont take it and run.
W.Once
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kingdom song fun
by IP_SEC into the tune of "here i am, send me" .
you slew the dinosaurs with stones.
of me-teo-ors from you throne.
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1. You slew the dinosaurs with stones
of me-teo-ors from your throne
In killing Phil-istines you relish
To satisfy your foreskin fet'shYou dont like men who go-oh down?
2. Men make the point that God‘s no mo;
They don’t think this life is his show.
Some worship idols made by sports;
Some would put Caesar in God’s shorts.
Who’ll tell the wicked “go to the store?”
Who’ll warn of God’s great final bore?
“Lord, here I am! bend me, bend me.
I’ll sound the warning fearlessly;
No greater motor could there be, Ford?
Here I am spend meat, spend meat.
(Chorus)
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NEW BOOK Questions - Request for information.
by rassillon ini have a couple of things i want to cover so i may edit this post but first.
can i get a complete quote for prof brian wilson as used in the first paragraph of chapter ten in the "jehovah's day" book?
i think it is from this book of his but i don't have a copy and i did not see it in my scan of the sample pages.
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Wasanelder Once
Hate to burst your bubble, but its the same old same old. JR Brown wasn't talking to a "Brother" when he said those half truths on the phone. He wasn't misleading a "Brother" just some worldly reporter. Look at your quote closer, "When a christian phrases things in such a way that he inwardly knows is leading brothers to a wrong conclusion, to believe something that is really not true, not accurate, how do you think God feels?
Its the same old theocrapic war strategy.
W.Once
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Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O
by Amazing ingreg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.
you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.
his rationale and logic are most interesting.
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I haven't read any of his stuff and don't intend to. If he wants to play yo yo with his stand on where he's at, go for it. In my life it has no effect. I didn't leave because of anything he wrote and I wont return due to anything he writes.
W.Once